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Tuesday, May 26, 2009

So Just What Is an Art Journal, Anyway? And Why I Think We Should Call Ours Something Else.

And don’t you know you can count on me to have an opinion? I remind myself periodically that I do NOT have to have an opinion about everything. For much of my life, I thought it was like my Job or something, having opinions. And voicing them. Oh, yeah. At some point, I realized I didn’t have to do that. I can just Not Have an Opinion, and that’s very liberating.
But lots of times I still have them, anyway. This idea about what an art journal is is a continuation of some conversations I’ve had recently, about the stuff I said in the interview from last week. I’m not an expert on journals or art or art journals, but that doesn’t stop me from having something to say about them, obviously.
Feel free to disagree, OK? Just don’t gripe at me about it.
First of all, we have to decide what a journal is. As you might expect from An English Person, I fall back on the actual definition, so let’s use that. First, of course, the etymology:
c.1355, "book of church services," from Anglo-Fr. journal "a day," from O.Fr. journal, originally "daily" (adj.), from L.L. diurnalis "daily" (see diurnal). Sense of "daily record of transactions" first recorded 1565; that of "personal diary" is 1610, from a sense found in French. Journalism is 1833 in Eng., likewise from Fr. (where it is attested from 1781).
OK. And the definition, from Webster’s:
jour·nal 
          Listen to the pronunciation of journal
Pronunciation:
\ˈjər-nəl\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, service book containing the day hours, from Anglo-French jurnal, from jurnal, adjective, daily, from Latin diurnalis, from diurnus of the day, from dies day — more at deity
Date:
15th century
1 a: a record of current transactions ; especially : a book of original entry in double-entry bookkeeping b: an account of day-to-day events c: a record of experiences, ideas, or reflections kept regularly for private use d: a record of transactions kept by a deliberative or legislative body e: log 3 f: log 42 a: a daily newspaper b: a periodical dealing especially with matters of current interest3: the part of a rotating shaft, axle, roll, or spindle that turns in a bearing
Now, you can argue that a journal is anything you say it is. Go ahead and argue that. For the purposes of trying to figure out what an art journal is, though, we’re going to use this and argue that anything else, anything that isn’t a daily (more or less) record of what happens in someone’s life is not, by definition, a journal and should, therefore, be called something else.
The first art journals I saw were those of Teesha Moore, and I would posit that she is the one who started the whole thang. Her work is fabulous, always has been. When I interviewed her for Rubberstampmadness, lo! these many years ago, she sent me a box full of her early handbound books. These were nothing like the journals of hers you’ll see on her website; they were mostly books of things she’d cut out and pasted in for various projects—books of ideas.  But they were still just about the coolest things I’d ever seen. In the years since, art journals have taken off, many of them modeled on what Teesha does now but diverging from hers: hers usually have actual journaling (writing about her daily life) on the pages. First the diverging art journals were mostly illustrated quotes—that’s still really popular. Now you see a lot that’s mostly just collage in a book form.
There’s nothing wrong with that. Those are fine. Fun to look at, if that’s what you like. But there’s really nothing about most of them that has anything to do with a journal:  no writing about daily life, no recording of events.
In short, there’s nothing personal in there at all. Nothing of the artist. No recording of anything that happened.
I think these should be called something else. Art books. Collage books. It doesn’t matter, but calling them art journals is claiming that they’re something they’re not. Those of us who love journals—you know, who read every published journal we can find and can still remember how pissed off we were to find that Anais Nin made up much of what she wrote in hers—are disappointed when we look at something that purports to be a journal but isn’t at all.
It reminds me of when I was teaching and got a set of journals from my classes. I read every single entry of every single one, no matter how boring and uninspired they were, no matter than many of my students resorted to copying song lyrics and notes in their effort to avoid anything like examining their life as a freshman in college. In this particular set, I came across a journal that seemed oddly familiar. Had I already read it? But there were no comments in the margins, no, “Good observation!” or “What was that like?” I became just the tiniest bit obsessed with this, as it seemed so familiar. I started going back and re-reading some of the other journals. What I discovered:  two students, in two different classes, had shared the assignment. Student A wrote entries 1-20, and Student B wrote 21-40 (or however many it was). But they switched them, so one had A-B, and the other had B-A—same entries, same order, but switched between them.
I was pissed, sure—I hate it when someone tries to trick me, for whatever reason in whatever situation. But I was also disappointed:  this was supposed to be a journal, an assignment suggested by the department that would encourage students to write but also be of some aid in helping fresh-out-of-high-school kids have somewhere to think on paper about all the things they were having to deal with, from homesickness to grades to romance to drinking way, way more than their bodies could tolerate. It was supposed to be a journal—a record of their days. Instead, it was just one more bit of tedium, one more chance to work a scam to get a grade.
It was like someone had spit on the whole concept of the journal, on what it means to those who love it as a concept:  the idea of recording our lives.
[In case this seems unfair, my requiring students to keep a journal that I would then read, I will note:  it was also a requirement for first-year instructors to keep a journal and turn it in to our instructor, so I was doing the same thing they were, only in much more detail and with much, much more enthusiasm—this was back when I was really involved with the journal, and I got permission to use my own personal journal and then xerox relevant pages to turn in, leaving out the other stuff. Even omitting pages, I turned in a LOT of stuff.]
Roz uses the term “visual journal” for what she does—at least I think that’s what she uses. It makes sense to me, and I think that’s what I’ll start calling the kind of journal I love most to look at:  it’s a journal, first and foremost. Those of us who love journals know that and recognize it right off. It’s not a collection of quotes (and I’d be happy if people would start calling those “commonplace books,” thank you very much), and it’s not a book of collages. There’s visual stuff. It’s not all frou-frou and polished, maybe; maybe it’s just stuff pasted in, or maybe doodles, or maybe photographs:  it’s visual. It doesn’t claim to be art, so it can be as raw as it is. All that is required of a visual journal is that it have some visual aspect to it.  I like this term for that reason:  it doesn’t demand anything. “Sketchbook” seems to guilt you out for not sketching, doesn’t it? Visual journal is so much more laidback:  all it asks is that you put something in there to look at. Even really nice handwriting or maybe some illuminated letters would do—it doesn’t ask that much.
Yes:  visual journal is what I like. It’s what I like to look at, and it’s what I might call mine, sometimes, to differentiate it from something that’s purely writing, that’s all journal.
Sometimes forcing words to mean what they’re supposed to mean solves all kinds of wiggly confusion.

34 comments:

Kelly Kilmer said...

Does it really matter what one calls it? Some people may write in their book 'i did this today' others may collect what they hear and see, and record and document snippets of things throughout the day. Is that not a journal too?

Taking this definition-
b: an account of day-to-day events c: a record of experiences, ideas, or reflections kept regularly for private use

While I love Teesha's journals, I really don't think she was the first one to come up with the idea of an art journal. It's like saying Beth Cote invented altered books. People have been pasting and cutting stuff and clippings into book form for ages. All a journal really is, is a glorified scrapbook. What about Barron Storey? His books are frickin' amazing as well and he's been creating them for a very very long time... etc...

Who really cares what we call them as long as we are honest in them, work in them and create them for ourselves? I work in my journal for ME and not for anyone else. I publish my pages on my blog-untweaked- for a couple of reasons-to record them and document them, but also, more importantly for people to realize that they can journal about ANYTHING. That journaling doesn't have to be 'today i did this and life is boring and i hate my job and life sucks' but it can be about the little things. Maybe you turn on the radio and something you hear sticks with you-write and collage and draw about that. Maybe you read something-get that out. The other reason is to point out that we all have good days and bad days-and we can journal about them and that's what makes us human and what makes our pages real.

I have a hard time when people start saying this is a journal and this isn't...

The only time I will stand up and get po'd about it is when I see things that are MADE for publication. Those are NOT journals. Those are not works from the heart, impromptu, spur of the moment, sit down and make something. Those are planned out, made for publication. I can think of one major artist who has published several books with journals that were MADE for publication and were not 'here, take these as they are, take ME for what I AM-'cause you'll see it in my journal'. No, those are tweaked books with tweaked pages. It makes me crazy. People see that and think that their journals aren't journals because "they're not good like so and so's is." B.S!

Journal. Draw. Write. Record. Paint. Collage. In book form. Who cares what you call it. Do it. Do it for YOU. Keep it real. Keep it honest. Do it often. PLAY. Experiment. Unfold upon the page and see what happens.

Kelly Kilmer said...

One more comment-I have several students who can't-for various reasons-record day to day events. Some are in unsafe environments and are afraid to record what is going on around them, so they use song lyrics and what not to help them. THEY can remember what may have happened on a certain day by looking through their pages and seeing the words and images...

Journaling in this form does help to keep some safe and their words and thoughts more private...

aimee said...

oooooh! a hot button topic! for me the definition of a journal is a loose one, and i agree with kelly on many points here. people have different motivations and ways for recording events in their lives. if a page says something back to the creator about his or her life, that's a journal to me. sometimes a single picture with no words can bring back floods of memories. it wouldn't say much to someone else, but it doesn't matter because it's not made for someone else.

as for the journal-swappers, well, i'd say those fabricated pages certainly revealed a few intimate details about those writers!

Carla Sonheim said...

Rice (with two dots), thank you for this post.

For me it DOES seem to be important what I call them... To call them "art journals" puts a lot of pressure on myself for some reason... it makes me think every page should "work".... ugh!! I get overwhelmed and then just don't do it at all!

Calling them "Visual Journals" somehow takes the pressure off (a tiny bit, anyway).

Jazz said...

I just call it my journal. There's tons of stuff in there, from ranting about a bad day to collaging of stuff, to doodles, to really really bad sketches, to "to do" and grocery lists. It's bulging with post-its and images I like and every time I open it, things go flying out since I'm not too good about pasting stuff in. As to whether it's an art journal or a visual journal... Well, I can say that to me at any rate, it's definitely not art. It's just my book. My book that I love, that I've been keeping up for 36 years (though only recently with anything else than writing), that I haul everywhere and that gets beat up and abused. But it's not art, no matter how much watercolour or acrylic (or tea for that matter) stains its pages.

And that's a whole other thing. I was having dinner with a friend the other day and she insisted I'm an artist because I slap a picture down in my journal to illustrate what I'm thinking now and then. And because I've made a few collages. I don't consider myself an artist in any way, shape or form. It seems to me that everyone considers themselves artists today. Why is that?

But how do you define art? What is an artist? Is Picasso more of an artist than Ms. XYZ who slaps down magazine images in a collage cause it makes her feel good?

Great post Ricë.

Rhomany said...

Over the years I've had many labels for mine. They all felt restrictive. Journal-anything meant 'you have to do something every day', 'art' put pressure on to make lovely pages. 'visual' restricted doing just written pages, 'scrapbook' made it sound unimportant, then whent he suburban mums took over scrapbook-world it sounded too much like it had to have photos in it. 'Common place book' sounds so stuffy and pretentious.
Around the middle of last year I settled for 'notebook'. I writes notes in it. I write lists. I doodle. Sometimes I write, sometimes I paint, sometimes I draw. I put research notes in it. I paste stuff from magazines. But not every day necessarily. It's a working notebook of stuff that I refer back to on a daily basis.
In a world where it's apparently so important to label things, I decided to keep it simple. Regardless of Webster's, hardly anyone can agree on a definition of journal, nevermind all the different sub categories, cousins and various other plug-ins. Everyone know what a notebook is though, don't they?

Anonymous said...

There will always be the "wannabe" crowd who live and breathe for copying the stars whose work is regularly published in the mags. Authentic art/visual journaling is NOT stamping the page with rubber stamps and slapping a slick photo on the page with a quotation. That doesn't even pass the laugh test. So, who cares what they want to call their little creations and does it really matter? It makes them happy to label their work as an art journal and to call themselves artists...oh well. If you're doing the real thing, you will know it.

Mindy said...

So, Anonymous, are you saying that because I play around in what I call an "art journal," that what I am creating is not art? What constitutes art? Does it have to be sellable to be art? I have posted some of my "art journal" work online and had some very positive feedback from other people, and have even been told that a page I did really spoke to them. I guess I'm not really clear on what the "real thing" is by your definition. I certainly don't try to copy anyone else's style.

see you there! said...

Words can exclude and labels don't always help. Creativity comes in all sorts of forms. If you write you express yourself. If you are doodling or pasting papers on pages you are expressing yourself. If your paintings are in a gallery and you're work is selling like hotcakes, you still began by expressing yourself.

I happen to call my book a sketchbook. It has some sketches but lots of other stuff. Maybe I'll call the next one My Book of Stuff.

Darla

Ricë said...

i've always called mine "my notebook," too. i love what sally jean alexander calls hers: "my Book Book."

really, though, i don't give a rat's ass what other people call theirs UNLESS they're publishing it and want the rest of us to buy the book/magazine/whatever and look at it. THEN i want to know what i'm getting before i click that button on amazon.com. i've given away the last couple books i bought that were about "art journals," and i'm waiting to see what a couple of the new ones will have in them before i buy--

tgarrett said...

Ok- I have to hop in here- I have used the term visual journaling for a long time. I have found taking the "for some" scary word "art" out of it makes all the differnece in the students jumping in. My university art students end up loving it- I have them keep a visual journal instead of a final- but...I also have them keep a sketchbook- where they try out art stuff from class- I personally tend to have a real mix of collage and writing- sometimes the created image stand alone- but it's personal au·then·tic·i·ty is most important- while the made for publication pretty journals may be nice eye candy- they do more damage than good-(this said with my teaching hat on) It's an interesting topic for sure and have enjoyed all your comments-
Terry

Ricë said...

thanks for giving us an academic point of view, terry. and thanks to kelly, too--let's see if i can get roz to jump in if she's got a minute--

Jazz said...

...while the made for publication pretty journals may be nice eye candy- they do more damage than good...tgarrett - I'm curious about that statement. How do eye candy journals to more harm than good? Because they discourage people who might not be artists to try their hand at a journal? (I hate the word journaling for some reason). Do tell.

Sometimes I wish I had the time, energy and wherewithal to do such pages, but mostly not. Beautiful well thought out pages would demand too much brain power...

I'm finding this comment thread really interesting; there's a lot of defensiveness.

Oh, and Ricë, sorry to have hijacked like this...

Mindy said...

My defensiveness comes from someone trying to say that a person who keeps an art journal, someone who is expressing him/herself in a visual way, is not creating art. Maybe the anonymous post just came across as a little art snobby to me. I think the important thing here is that people are expressing themselves and to me that is art. Whether it's pretty or not is simply a matter of opinion. There are famous artworks that I do not find attractive in the least, but they are still an expression from inside the person who made them. I have to agree with Kelly. What does it matter what we call it as long as we are expressing our true selves?

As far as the made for publication pieces, they are great to look at for inspiration and technique, but my art(or whatever anonymous wants to call it) comes from me. I don't copy other people's work because that wouldn't be authentically me, and that is what a journal is supposed to be, whether you call it art or playing with paint and paper. I kind of felt by virtue of being an "art journalist" I was being lumped in with the "wannabes" and I don't just slap some pictures on a page and call myself an artist. At the same time I am not condescending about how other people choose to express themselves and I felt that post was very condescending. Comments like that tend to kill creativity.

I still don't have an answer about "the real thing". I'd really like to know what that means. I guess I would know if I was doing it, right? lol

Warty Mammal said...

Fascinating article. You're inspiring me to do something, although I'm not sure what, much less what to call it.

anna maria said...

If someone can tell me what art is, then I would also like to know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

anna maria said...

anna maria's blogger identity.

Annie said...

WooHah!

Great post, really good thread! I'm taking Kelly's A Prompt A Day for the second month and enjoying it hugely. I have a for real handmade journal and all. Strictly for that more 'arty' pursuit.

My deeply treasured tome is my 'Brain Book'. It's has anything from quilting doodles/practice, to photocopies of magazine articles, to recipes, to notes I take when I'm reading a magazine/book, see a craft show, watch a crafty DVD etc.

I use it to draft quilt and card layouts, even website designs.

It has class notes from quilt/beading/cardmaking classes I have taken. It has snippits of things that the kids have said or done, when I can't be arsed writing a blog post.

It has bits of hand dyed fabrics in it and the dye recipes and techniques. It even has lists of things to do. I am lost without it.

I so enjoy looking through these when I feel the need for reassurance, a good laugh, or inspiration. Oh, also when I want to find class notes or that URL I wrote down once. It is also very cool when you read an old edition and have that sudden realisation of what you were doing way back when.

Sorry this is so long. But it's just such an interesting discussion!

tgarrett said...

When I said the polished for publications do more harm than good I was saying this about my intro to 2D art students- they are easily intimidated and some of those published pages really make some students not want to even try.
Terry

Jazz said...

Terry - That's what I figured you meant. And I think you're right; I remember looking at those beautiful pages and thinking, hell, I can't do that - until I figured so what, it's not like I'm gonna be in a magazine anyway.

journalrat said...

PART ONE of Three

Ricë,
What a lively and fun discussion! I do agree, however, with the need to have names for things. And I like those names to be descriptive of what is going on.

I think though your time line is a bit off. Whether we call them art journals or visual journals, journals with visual elements were kept by Victorians and it was my exposure to these as a child which actually caused me to meld my diary into a visual journal.

I started out sketching (because I couldn't write yet). And that became a record of the things I saw around me. And then I began a diary which was written, but it never satisfied me. I wanted that visual component. My diary was pages and pages of what was happening to me and what I was thinking. But I also always had my visual book. And it would contain other bits of stuff (articles from newspapers, images I sketched, photographs, ephmemera from a trip). That visual book was a journal.

When I was a senior in high school we were required to keep a "journal" for creative writing class and I didn't have time to keep it and my diary so the two melded. Since then I've never used the word diary, because it seems so much more, including story ideas and research. Journal seems appropriate. That's why I think naming things is appropriate. Some people might call this a notebook, but it wasn't that to me. It was and is an almost daily record, not a diary, but a journal.

The visual journal would vary in what it would deal with quite a lot.

Throughout my life there have been those two streams. Sometimes they join and one type of journal has more presence in my life for some reason, but there is always a visual aspect. The main difference to me is that the written journal never leaves my desk and is totally private. The visual journal is with me everywhere and is more public.

I say more public because I typically don't mind sharing it with people.

Both journals are made with me as the audience, for my own creative development and because I teach visual journaling and bookbinding it's not unusual for me to share some visual journals with my students. In fact, starting in the 90s I would say that my visual journals became decidedly less private. They were still for me, but they were about things that I didn't mind people seeing (I'm a rather private person). I would also say that in recent years [the last two or so] the scales are tipping back the other way and there is much more in my visual journal I won't share with the public. If I did that would hamper my work in the journals.

But since 1993 to the present I've tended to share those visual journals with my students. I started putting selections of my journals on my website in 2003 because it meant I would have fewer journals to lug to classes. Students could see some stuff in person and some stuff on line.

I mention all this because it shows a progression over a life time of how someone might use the journal. Everyone has a different path, but what they do can still be labeled as a journal, to my mind, if it is about daily events, about events happening NOW, not recollected Which doesn't mean that you can't have recollections in your journal— what I mean is that for me the journal is a DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE PRESENT MOMENT. And to be useful it needs to be honest and authentic (as Kelly and Terry have both mentioned; perhaps others too and I didn't note it down).

journalrat said...

Part 2 of 3

That type of authentic response can have many manifestations. Like Kelly, I've worked with abused women and children and there are ways to create meaningful journaling that is "safe" and unclear to any other viewer. It's a necessity.

Frankly, anyone journaling only has to have an expression meet his or her own criteria for understandability. My need for that is huge as I use my journal as a memory device. Other folks I know do paintings and very little verbage, is that a journal? Is it just a sketchbook? To them it is a journal and I agree if they feel that it functions that way.

I met a young man a month ago who keeps a journal and is finishing an MFA and is going to publish a book soon. He was adamant that visual journaling had to have words in it. I happen to agree with him (for the most part), but also found this limiting in the way that new journal keepers often try to encapsulate all the variety and strangeness of their new habit.

It just doesn't work because something is always poking out here and there challenging your view of what the journal is and what it does. Bottom line it needs to meet your creative needs.

That said, I have a problem with the use of fake ephemera and "themed" journals for publication as I think several here do, and I know Ricë does.

My problem with such "journals" is that they aren't journals as I understand and use the term so I wish they would be called something else. But more importantly they aren't a response to the present moment, to something in the artist's environment or something that triggered a thought, and such and so they end up to me as exercises in technique.

There's nothing wrong with that but they are made for public display (in magazines) and for me that strips them of the essential qualities of a journal.

I think they would be better off named something else to avoid the type of confusion that can happen, as Ricë pointed out when buying books on the topic.

I think, since they are made to be decorative and viewed as art objects and they are books they should be called artist's books. This will of course made a vast segment of the bookbinding community upset, because they will claim that artist's books are something different all together, but when I look at artist's books I see that these fit nicely in the mix and let's let them sort it all out so we can all go back to journaling our authentic lives with real ephemera from our days, exploring our own creative processes with only ME as the audience (unless time, distance, and other factors cause me to show it to someone else).

I like Darla's suggestion of "My Book of Stuff" and would suggest that we could simply each call them "my book" if we wanted to break it down even more.

For me journals are best when they include play and work (often not distinguishable for me) and again, that connection to the moment.

I agree with Terry when he says "while the made for publication pretty journals may be nice eye candy- they do more damage than good." I am actually working on a post for my blog about this. Simply stated I have so many students coming through my classes who can't journal in a meaningful way for their lives because they are stymied by their failed attempts to replicate what they see in magazines or too intimidated to even begin. End of Part 2

journalrat said...

Part 3 of 3

I can't address the issue of what is art. People have called my journals art journals and it makes me grumble because I don't think of them in terms of that label, whatever I understand by that label. I don't think of my journals as art. My journals are what I do to get to my art. If art was going to go into the title I'd have to call them something like art workbooks.

But they are about my life too so they are life workbooks, and now we're back at "My Book of Stuff." (Thank you Darla.)

Journaling is the most important force in my life. I can't imagine not doing it. I've enjoyed teaching journaling, helping others start. And I'm grateful that people allow me to help them with that journey.

If the book you keep is about your creative journey I think it is less messy to call it a visual journal than an art journal, simply because the term art journal has been applied to something everyone responding seems to recognize as "made for display." This leaves Mindy in the sad position of defending her work all because of a label and publishing trends.

Language and labels do mean something and I think this speaks to how confusion can result. To avoid this confusion I wish all magazine editors would consult with a broad body of practitioners before dubbing something "something" but it isn't going to happen.

I'll keep using the term visual journal because it works for me and it leaves me out of the whole art argument. This allows me more time for what really matters to me (and all of us) making stuff.

Sorry to ramble on Ricë, but you did ask!

I think this is an important topic to discuss and as we see more artists making their visual journals public I think there will be more and more discussion of what to call these things because the world does like to name things and define things so that we can discuss and group, and categorize, and analyze and all those other things humans do.

journalrat said...

Oh, one last thing (I know part three was supposed to be the end but I have to mention this) I gave a talk a few years ago to a Unitarian Church on Visual Journaling.

Afterwards the man who was to take me to lunch with a group of other folks engaged me in an argument about the use of the word Journal in what I do. Since I wasn't religious in my daily application (almost but not quite) I couldn't call them journals. He, it turned out had kept a daily diary for 50 years (I got to see the volumes later that afternoon) and he was quite incensed that anyone would "poach" the term journal.

So everywhere we look someone is going to challenge labels and it's a good thing because that's how language changes. It's just annoying when the number one activity of your life is at the center of the discussion.

Something to journal about.

Rhomany said...

I'm really tempted to renounce my former label of 'Notebook' and henceforth refer to my little collage-art-writing-notes-lists-cutout-picture-doodle-stuffed Moleskine as 'My Book of Stuff'.
Fab response there Roz.

Anonymous said...

It should be noted that it is the the well known company [you know the one that has 30 to 40 magazines] that has been primarily responsible for all of this labeling. Every single individual who has ever submitted, and had a piece of their work published by them is crowned with the title "artist" and the work crowned as "art". Being published one time in a magazine does not automatically make one an artist. What the magazine is getting is free art/crafty/stuff to fill the pages and the person submitting it gets their 15 minutes of fame with the label of "artist" and everyone is happy and people shell out their $7.99 to look at it. Is it all junk in the mags? No, but far too much is passed and declared as art when it is simply a newbie who is playing with some new craft supplies.

Ricë said...

brilliant as always, roz--thanks so much for taking time to post your ideas about this.

keep those opinions coming--i love to hear how many different ways we look at this. after the homogeneity of what we usually see out there, the diverse ideas are extra refreshing.

Ricë said...

and, roz, you learned what it means to argue with Unitarians. they do it for recreation.

Mindy said...

I still want to know what Anonymous considers art.

Please define "art".

Please also define "artist".

I think "art" is a very broad and subjective term and doesn't just fall within certain parameters.

I'm not on here trying to claim I am an artist. In fact when someone calls me that I say I'm not. It's a hobby for me to keep myself sane. I'm just saying that calling a book you work in an art journal does not mean that you are making some grandiose claim of being a great artist. I call it an art journal because I do draw and paint (and yes, sometimes I even collage, which some find to be an art form) in there. Those are artistic activities, are they not? Just because it is not on display somewhere doesn't mean it's not art. I really don't know what else to call it. It's like debating about whether to call myself a legal secretary or a paralegal. I do aspects of both jobs and in the end it's all really a matter of semantics.

Jazz said...

Mindy - I totally get it. My book (art journal, notebook, visual journal, journal, diary, whatever) keeps me sane. Sometimes it includes art, sometimes just writing, it's a mishmash really and labeling it? Meh. It's just my book.

As to what is art. I dunno. Like I said, I had a big discussion on this very thing with a friend. And you make a good point jobwise, I'm variously an admin assistant, an executive assistant, an office manager or a babysitter of engineers. My book is pretty much the same

Anonymous is right in saying that "that company" publishes people's stuff freely and calls it art and make lots of money off of it. More to the point, doing so helps them sell more supplies in their store (the fake ephemera and such). This being said, I don't mind looking at the magazines, I like the eye candy.

And it would be nice to know what exactly Anonymous defines as art.

Who said, "I don't know what art is, but I know what it isn't".

OK, this is far from the art journal discussion isn't it?

Stepping off the edge said...

Two cents from a complete unknown who still thinks she always has to have an opinion- but is working on it.(just not today)
I have been an avid placer of thoughts on paper since childhood. Those are what I consider journals; ramblings of the mind- a place to put thoughts that need to be worked out or shared with someone when there is no one to actually share them with. A record of a journey taken, a question asked; the record of a mistake made as a reminder not to repeat- or of a fleeting joy to cue the senses at a later date. This new craze leads one to believe that full works of art need to be placed on a page on a daily (or somewhat) basis. It is not only intimidating but exhausting. Now, not only having to deal with the blank canvas syndrome; one has to deal with the blank page syndrome. Eye candy indeed. Beautifully crafted page after page, put together by a publicist, in a way that gets enough of those creative juices flowing in a direction that leads one to failure when ultimately faced with a blank page. The objective was completed. The book was bought. But that is the end of the mission where the publicist is concerned. Their job is complete. Success. A job well done. But the artists quagmire has just deepened. One can be inspired by the visual delight one has just seen- but now what. The pressure starts. I am going to have to side with the opinion that it does more harm than good. And also with the idea that if I am going to purchase a “journal” – I want to “get to know” the person that made it. I want to be reading their faults and their insecurities and their triumphs and I want to know that they are real. I want to see how they translate these emotions into their art and I want to know that somehow, in some way- that they feel something that I have felt somewhere along this journey. I want to see that they are human, and exist and thrive. I don't want to read sound bites from Thoreau or Nin or Anonymous. I want to read a record, a journey, the signs of a travel in someones life. An inspiration of triumph in ones pursuit of one's dreams- set backs and all. But then, that is just me.

Personally, I don't have the time to put full blown works of art on a page. As unfortunate as it is- time is money. 10 hours on a page in a book that will never see the light of day vs. 10 hours on a piece that will help pay the mortgage. That is my reality. I can't be the only one. (I hope I'm not the only one) I still journal now and again – usually during times of artists block, heartache or serious life overwhelming syndrome- but they are not pretty. They are not color coordinated, glued, punched, or painted. They do not have cut-outs stuck to them. I reserve that for my other books. Yes, books- about ten running at any given time. And even those – not so pretty. Scribbles and scrabbles- random fleeting thoughts of future creations- badly drawn interpretations of things that will somehow jog my memory of what they should actually be. And lists. Lists of ideas, supplies needed- supplies I have- alternative supplies I could use. Lists of possible conflicts, chemical interactions, possible failures and flaws. There are some colors- usually samples- same with product; paint tests, medium examples, etc. And for the record, I call them my books of Random Art Farts.
:o) Tracey

Anonymous said...

The debate of what is art is, is as old as dirt and every one has an opinion on exactly what it is. This I do know, it is not dunce hats [gag me with a spoon] and butterfly wings pasted onto a substrate. There are, and always have been fads in the craft industry and I think the last decade has seen an explosion of one. The fad being; make something with your hands with the goal of getting it published in the mags, declare yourself a teacher, get your suitcase packed and travel all over the country and sometimes the world, and teach others how to use dunce hats and butterfly wings in their art too. I think the real debate is what is a craft and what is art. The paper industry of the last decade, in my opinion has very little to do with art and a whole lot to do with crafting. Absolutely nothing the matter with crafting if that floats your boat but seeing SOME of the garbage in "those" magazines that publish 40 mags a month, is not worth the loss of the trees that it takes to print them. It is mind boggling to think that people not only pay to look at it but then copy their crafting idols and make the same garbage. Egads.. So Mindy, this is what art isn't.

Mindy said...

Ok, Anonymous, I see your point and I understand where you are coming from. You don't like the commercialism of the art journaling fad. I can't say I blame you. I also understand when people say it does more harm than good because I, too, have looked at some of these things and thought to myself that my pages would never look like that. Then I had the realization that my stuff isn't supposed to look like anyone else's. That is what makes it uniquely mine. That is why I stopped posting my stuff online. It was putting pressure on me to please other people and not myself. I find the art journal format way less intimidating than canvas (and it takes up less space in my tiny condo), but I hope to overcome that next fall by taking an art class. I will be the first to admit that I am an amateur, but what I am doing is good for my soul and I don't hold myself out to be anything other than a person who likes to play with art supplies and paper.

Oh, and I can honestly say I have never used a dunce cap or wings in my art journal! lol

journalchic said...

Thanks for this post! I am new to the blogging world but NOT new to journaling/notebooking/visual journaling or whatever else anyone wants to call it :) I do have writing incorporated in my artwork just because I like to keep things all in one place! I would go crazy if I had a separate book for art, writing, collage etc. I LOVE your blog by the way!

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