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My name rhymes with "Lisa," I live in Midland, Texas, because it's warm and the mortgage is cheap, and of course this is my natural hair color. Of course! The EGE--The Ever-Gorgeous Earl--is my husband of 35 years. I have the best job in the world because I get to call up artists and ask them nosy questions and then write about them. I also stitch, podcast, blog, and then, in my spare time, do it all some more.

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Saturday, May 07, 2011

I Don't Want to Be Your Grandma

Dixie said something that had me nodding my head and gritting my teeth, both. She commented on my Mother's Day post about how, at her church, they give all women flowers on Mother's Day because "all women mother somebody."

Does anybody else think that is just really, really insulting? Do all men "father" somebody? And how come "mothering" is a verb with a meaning separate from "giving birth to" or "providing DNA for," but "fathering" is not? We don't assume all men have a deep primordial need to be dads, but we're sure all women need to mother. We don't see adult men in the store and assume it's OK to let our kids run up and grab them, but it's OK with strangers who are female. And let me just rant about this, please, because it always drives me insane. Even though I'm past the age of possible motherhood, now people assume I am filled with some thwarted Granny Genes or something and reallyreallyreally wish I could act in some grandmotherly way toward them or their children. This is so not true, and if they knew how I felt about it, they wouldn't even suggest it would be fun to call me "Mom."

I have known people with whom I've had to create some distance because they wanted to cast me in the role of Alternative Mother, sort of an adjunct to their own, not-quite-so-cool mom, as if this were a compliment to me and as if my own lack of offspring were something that needed to be assuaged, perhaps by allowing me to cook for them. Because the Cult of Motherhood is so pervasive, people think that there is some deep, dark reason I didn't have kids. Many think I couldn't, and that's OK. Who knows--maybe it's true: I've never been pregnant, so I don't know if it were ever a possibility. Never, not once. Because--hello!--I knew from the earliest I can remember that Kids Are Not For Me.

A much darker supposition, one that really makes me question whether or not people live in the 21st century or are still stuck back in the Eisenhower administration, is that I didn't have children with The EGE because I didn't want to bring "mixed-race" babies into a hostile world. People used to kind of sidle around that question, but in most cases they could see the steam begin to rise behind my eyes and quickly backpedaled. I have had people say, "Oh, but you would have been such a good mother!" and, more sinisterly, "Oh, but The EGE would have been such a good daddy--how could you not want that for him?" It is a tribute to my upbringing that these people still have only one exit to their alimentary canal.

Because motherhood is such a huge, huge deal and such a major expectation, and anyone who doesn't go along with the program is suspect and must be pitied or scorned or brought into the fold. People have offered to let me be a surrogate to their kids, be a godmother, be an Auntie Mame, etc.. I do not know why this is, because I have never been shy about saying, "I. Do. Not. Like. Children."  Perhaps they think I'm putting on a brave front to cover my misery.

Women are not supposed to say that. We can say we don't like men, we can say we don't like teenagers or old women or, if we run in redneck circles, we can say we don't like members of various minorities. But we cannot say we don't like children. We are immediately suspect: are we secretly child abusers? Were we ourselves abused? Has some trauma ruined our lives?

I can't speak for anyone else, but me? There was no trauma. I have no desire to hurt children or make their lives miserable because--hello, again!--I have no desire to be around them. And here's the deal: I didn't like kids when I WAS one. As an only child, I spent lots of time alone, and I had these elaborate story-telling games I created that went on for days--I'd make these villages all across my bedroom floor, made from blocks of wood and boxes and pieces of tile and carpet. They didn't look like much to anyone else, but they were the landscapes for huge adventures. My mother didn't really know what I did with these--I had to have the door shut when I was weaving the stories--but I'm guessing she stood outside and listened to me talking to myself and understood enough that she never disturbed what surely must have looked like a huge, floor-covering mess, letting it stay for days at a time before urging a temporary clean-up so she could get in and vacuum. I never let other kids in my room when these constructions were set up--the idea of someone else touching the bowls of porridge (caps from Coke bottles) or the stable where the horses lived (a basket) was horrifying. Other kids were noisy and asked too many questions, and were rough and clumsy, knocking things over and moving Important Buildings. They always wanted to play board games, which I kept hidden so I could claim I didn't have any.

In short, I found other kids a complete nuisance. They baffled me then, and they baffle me now. People who coo about the innocence and freedom of kids--do they really remember being kids? Playing with other kids? I always wonder, because little kids are pretty much heathens. Left on their own, they hit and bite, take stuff that isn't theirs, eat boogers and fondle themselves in public. They aren't toilet trained and see nothing wrong in playing with their own waste. They will try to eat anything they come across, including things they find in the cat's box. They will cheerfully break your stuff just as readily as they will break their own. It's the whole thing about whether kids are born innocent and pure and are corrupted by a corrupt world or are born little heathens who have to have the rough edges sanded smooth by a civilized society. I believe the latter, of course, although I question the part about "civilized society." I could offer proof, some of the most stunning gleaned from the summer I worked as a bus driver/camp counselor for the YMCA.

So, anyway--back to my point: not all women are mothers. Not all women have any desire to be mothers, nor do they want to mother you or your children or wear your Motherhood Flowers. They don't need to be pitied, and they don't want to babysit (oh, lord: I forgot that! People used to offer to "let" me babysit, as if I had some deep need to be around toddlers and they were generously going to let hang out with theirs. Like I was perfect because I would be so eager to hang out with their children that--wow!--they wouldn't have to pay me! Score! (I babysat once in my life. I was four.))

People are now beginning to see me in some grandmotherly role, and at some point it's going to become annoying. You can't say, "Oh, hell, no. Are you crazy?" because that's just rude. But having to gently explain that, no, you do not need to borrow someone's kid to feel better about your life--at some point I'm going to get snotty, I can tell.

Last night we went to a concert and dance. It was in the gymnasium at a local community college, and they'd put panels of carpet down on the basketball floor and, in the middle, had arranged a teeny, tiny, teeninsy square of rubber tiles. That was the dance floor. It was sad and laughable and baffling, all at the same time, sending the message: "We knew we could get more people to come if we advertised this as 'a dance,' and to do that, we had to provide a 'dance floor,' but we really don't see the point of dancing and don't actually want any of it to occur here, so here's this. Whaddaya think?"

So, sure, they pulled in the half-dozen couples in the area who do ballroom dancing and will show up for any advertised dance, and we went (we're not ballroom dancers, not by a long shot). And we all made some valiant efforts, scraping our way around the rubber tiles in the middle of a basketball court, people in the stands on either side eating meatballs from paper plates. But for the most part, the square of dance floor in the middle of the room was taken over by a gang of female toddlers whose mothers seemed to think this little square of space had been provided not for people to do something so foolish as dance, but so that they, the mothers, could show off the utter charmingness of their daughters, who toddled and leapt and twirled and squealed and tackled each other while their mothers, oblivious to the people waiting to take the dance floor and do the rhumba or the cha-cha-cha, took video. I watched the older women in the audience, who looked on with faces that clearly said, "Awwwwwww! I want one again!" and who just as clearly thought this was a much better use of the space than for adult couples who might want to dance with each other. Ah, childhood innocence! Ah, motherhood! So much better than having to touch your husband, that old coot.

Which explains rather a lot, you know?

What was I thinking, if not "Awww, how cute!"? I was thinking that this is why we are where we are. That the mothers should have already started teaching their children that public space is "public," and that they don't get to do whatever they want in the spaces they have to share with other people. But their mothers are of a generation that didn't learn this themselves. They weren't the least bit embarrassed at getting in the way of people who paid money to come dance (we weren't among those, so that's not what I'm grousing about: I can't do the rhumba, anyway). We are all supposed to think this is OK, though. More than OK--we're supposed to be entranced by children, indulgent of children, enamored of children.

No. As adults who aren't the parents of a child, we owe that child no more and no less than we owe any other living creature: we owe it respect. We must protect it as we would any other creature needing protection--whether that creature is a small animal or an infirm person, a toddler or someone very old. So if we see it in imminent danger, we would intervene. But the idea of it "taking a village to raise a child"? Oh, sure, it sounds so lovely. But try it. Try living it. See a child stealing candy from the bin at the grocery store and go up and lecture the child and spank it [yeah, yeah, yeah--I know The EGE and I are of the last generation of children who actually got spanked (he would say "beaten") and learned from it and know we are better people for having had parents who spanked us] and force it to take the candy to the manager and apologize. See how warm and fuzzy and village-y you feel when the parents assault you and then take you to court.

Where was I? Oh: motherhood. Right.

Not all women are maternal. It doesn't make them better or worse, to be envied or pitied. Try thinking of women as women, just as you think of men as men. They are not "mothers" or "grandmothers." They may be, but first, they're just people, people who may or may not have any maternal feelings and may or may not find your children adorable. Which is a really good reason to keep your child from grabbing onto their legs in line at The Dreaded Wal-Mart, you know?

31 comments:

Chris f said...

Preachin' to the choir on this one!
What I absolutely HATE is when someone has an infant they feel compelled to press into my arms OR when a complete stranger lets their small sticky child fling themselves at me in public for no particular reason. They look at me like I'm supposed to say "Aw how cute"and I'm just gritting my teeth!
My own mother was completely mystified by my lack of interest in mothering. I could never explain it to her satisfaction. However, I am SO glad that I was self-aware enough to come to that conclusion BEFORE I had a child!

Ricë said...

I was really lucky that my own mom Got It. She had me because she thought she was supposed to, but once was plenty for her, and she understood completely and never even hinted that I should reproduce. I'm sure if she'd had it to do over, she wouldn't have. She loved me totally, but she didn't enjoy motherhood after the first 4 years. I was lucky. No pressure from The EGE's family--tons of other grandkids, so they didn't need any from me.

Anhelo said...

Interesting. Maybe I want to add that not everyone has a consensus opinion; maybe some of the people who think that motherhood is natural in every woman, genuinely believes that.

Now, motherhood is not only applicable to women having children, I think it's used for everything nourishing. That's why the earth is a she. Based on that, most of women have that type of brain that looks for nourishing and creating. Is it maybe just culture? Sure, coded in our DNA memory (culture meets biology).

Other people sure think the same way you do about motherhood-children, about caring for cats/pets. "How come someone can care for street cats or someone else's cats so much and not want to have children at all? how could she have such a nourishing soul towards a different creature and not her own?". So, motherhood is in several other areas. My brain can't just label it under the picture of a mother and her child. I personally think that's unfair.

I didn't like children most of my life, and I still find it very hard to deal with them. But when you say you don't like children, what do you mean exactly? And this goes not only for you but for everyone out there. I haven't been able to understand (yet) how someone could say "I don't like children", when he/she was one. Do you mean "other" children, then? or did you not like yourself either, as a child? or did you not like childhood as a stage in your life? These are just questions I'm putting out there. I don't really need answers or I'm not trying to get you say anything back. I'm a psychologist I sure can find data somewhere else in more accurate manners. It's just an observation.

I do agree with you that most people have expectations of seeing us women as mothers in the future. I never saw myself as one, NEVER before. And getting married to my loving husband and being close people's children didn't change that fact. I actually did a lot of insight work to figure what made me different from the others. And what I found was that I was rationalizing too much and leaving the biological fact aside. Now I do want to have children, although it doesn't mean I'm going to have them. But I do have a desire. Is it biological? Sure. I'm coming from 2 grandmothers, one of them had 14 children the other one only 9. (only). So, the birth trip is common in my family and somehow coded in my brain as "natural" even though I never liked children before.

Now, I'm not saying that because we have a womb it means we have to procreate. I understand we are humans and we can think and plan and decide. Mothering doesn't only mean woman-baby, so when someone talks about mothering they're sure implying dozens of things. It shouldn't bother anyone. I understand your point, though, I really do. It's society assuming things what's annoying. I hate it too, but I don't dislike children because not all of them are the same and because we can't dislike someone for being cognitively in disadvantage (of understanding why children could be annoying to adults). I'm sorry I wrote a bible here. It just really blows my mind that someone dislikes a stage in life. Cause children are not monkeys, or trees, just like you say women are also people, well, children are too. Right?
just a modest opinion here.

Sue said...

You crack me up. I never wanted kids either, not exactly the same reasons, but I get it. I enjoy other people's kids for about 5 minutes at a time, when they're happy and interesting, and then I'm done.

Cindy H said...

I'm so with you here! I, too, am an only child and my hubby and I didn't know if we wanted kids. We finally decided (basically too late) that we wanted to share our life with someone else and teach them all the things we thought people should know - so we ended up with twins. I love them to death and wouldn't take anything for them but I don't believe for a second that anyone else would or should feel the same way about them.
Becoming a mother didn't make me suddenly love ALL children. I love my children (even though I would often like to rent them out to someone else for a few days) but I don't want other people's kids hanging out all over me. Makes me CRAZY!
I find that I like kids that I feel have the manners that I expect from all people. I also like the kids that seem to understand that they aren't the center of the universe to everyone else (or at least they don't act like they think it).
And I can't for the life of me understand why a woman would want to have more babies just because her kids are getting a bit older. I don't see why women feel the need to be needed. That's the one thing I don't like about being a mother - being needed so much (even though my kids are amazingly independent for 7 year olds - thank god!).
Great rant, Ricë!

sandy outworldarts spartasoap said...

I have experienced everything you've written. Hubby and I do have one son (intentional), but you can't imagine how many people asked us when we would have another. "You can't have ONE child, he (speaking of my son) will be ODD when he grows up. He needs someone to play with." At the time I looked over at the advice giver's three children who were pushing, shoving and spitting on each other - yes spitting! How funny people can be. I would never dream of asking someone with six children if she is trying for her own area code. :)

And to be honest, I'm not a "natural" at mothering. It wasn't effortless for as it is for many others. Yes I would do it again, but I would still only have one.


P.S. I always enjoy your posts.

Melissa said...

You're the best, Ricë! You put into words what I have often thought but have felt constrained to say. Thank you.

Ricë said...

I guess I didn't do as good a job of explaining that as I thought I did. I didn't like kids when I was one. I liked myself just fine, but I didn't see myself as being one of whatever-those-other-creatures were. They didn't play the way I played, and they weren't interested in the things I was interested in. They didn't behave the way I did. To me, they were annoying and smelly and loud. I could be around them for short periods but then wanted them to leave. I could play outdoors with boys--climbing trees, hiking, exploring--but that was about it.

So my friend Chris, who is a former zoo-keeper and now raises and cares for dogs and birds--is that maternal nurturing he's seeking? Or is he just someone who likes feathered and furred creatures?

TheFairyyellowbugQueen said...

Anhelo the 'mother' earth thing came to my mind also. Thanks for mentioning it so eloquently. The 'mothering' vibe is vibrantly alive in many areas, not just the mothering of one's own species. I am glad immeasurably that some people 'mother' cats, for example. I have an old friend in palliative care with multiple cancers (life sucks sometimes) whom when I see her I will give gentle mothering hugs and hand holding. (NOT ANYTHING EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT MY OWN MOTHER WAS OR IS CAPABLE OF [as an aside].)
Rice, once again a brilliant piece of writing. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

It is very popular these days to bash motherhood and to hate or dislike children. It is "in". After all, work and money are the gods of our society and children get in the way of what selfish mothers want to do. I respect any woman who knows herself well enough to know that motherhood is not for them. I personally have seen a self centered, narcissistic and oh so selfish woman in my family who should have never ever, ever had children. However, she wanted it all, the four degrees and the husband and the two children. She is failing at all of them because what she really wanted was the job. Why did she have the children? So her hubby can raise them and be the house mommy and be castrated pretty regularly by a woman who had no business having children. I am a mother, a well thought choice and I do not apologize for being one. I am proud of my child and loved the whole process from pregnancy through the raising of her. Wouldn't trade it for the world. It is a very personal matter who makes the choice to be a mother and it is none of your business or mine or anyone else, but to blatantly bash motherhood and children is a real stretch on your part. There are great mothers and horrible mothers and the same for children. I think you made the perfect choice for yourself in deciding to not reproduce but the overall tone of your two postings sound angry, hostile and I think there is a whole lot more going on here than what's stated. Sounds like you were really wounded with your relationship with your own mother and wounded in regards to children. More to the story I'm sure. HAPPY MOTHERS DAY TO ALL OF THE MOTHERS!
Brenda

Anhelo said...

I don't have an exact or accurate answer to how a male can look for mothering too. Although it's known that males and females both produce the same type of hormones (that make us act and react this or another way) only in different quantities. That difference in hormonal production plays an important role in our identity.

Being a child who dislikes other children is common. Sometimes it's associated to autistic personalities mostly found in creative, analytic and artistic people. That video you showed the other day, Beautiful Minds, talks also about this (there were more videos with other people/other brains).

I think that "disliking children" is a passed by generations symptom of an adult-centered society where everything children is managed by adults. Children are not allowed in hospitals, theaters, weddings and an endless list of adult related activities. I personally think that this is the reason why we have certain maladjustments in society.

(I think it's business to have women think that because they're not mothers they will have a successful career (cause they have nothing in their way) so they can consume birth control and go back to work asap after giving birth, with the impression that because they're doing it the way men do it, they're better women.)

I believe that not letting adults and children coexist in the same community has emotionally affected the new generations when entering to adulthood.

There are different types of children. I once worked with kids like little Ricë. I definitely enjoyed being around them more than hanging with "normal" kids cause they're way more organized and easy to talk to. And it's because there are kids like them that I can't generalize and just say I don't like kids. We don't know if that little annoying monster destroying everything around will become a leader in the future that will teach us something or help us with anything. The point is they are play dough. So, that border we put in between a person with more experience and another with less, has to affect the way they understand the rules in society and the who they will become. So if we think we are the coolest adults on earth, why not to get close to children and encourage them to be like us (instead of letting television do it)? why do we have to keep putting a border between generations? we need to question our past in order to change our future.

Kathy said...

Frankly, I'm not in any hurry to be anyone's grandma - and I have two children of child-bearing age! You can't imagine how many people look at me with pity that they haven't reproduced (even my sister, who has just joyously had her son, daughter-in-law and two infants move into her house. She is in heaven - I would have hives). Never mind that my son is struggling to find a full-time job so he can support himself and has no desire to pull another person or two into poverty, or that my daughter (the older of the two) is of the opinion that pregnancy, birth and child-rearing are a disgusting, alien prank involving the incubation of a parasite being perpetrated on women to make them crazy... I'm not expecting much from her. And guess what? That's fine. I didn't have children to be supplied with grandchildren. That's not their job. If I want to be around little kids there are plenty to choose from. But I'm finding that I can do without them for the most part. I spent several years as the clerk/manager of the childrens' section at Borders. I could tell you some fabulous stories. I wonder, though, in this discussion if we're confusing "mothering" with "nurturing". I think they're different and I think that either men or women can nurture, be it a child, an animal, a community or an idea. And it doesn't have to involve biology, sticky hands or ear piercing shrieks.

kimberlyncreations said...

THANK YOU!! So well said! I wish I had the bravery to put it out there like that! Several of my friends have grandchildren and think it's natural that I would enjoy the pleasure of their company. We have good friends who I will no longer socialize with at their home because their grandchildren are always there. (Their mother drops them off to spend every weekend with them. What does that say?!)
I also did not like other children when I was a child. I have a brother and sister but they were on their own by the time I came along so I lived in a peaceful, quiet home with older parents. I was an overweight child and the other kids in the neighborhood tormented me. Kids who on different occasions threw worms in my hair, punched me in the nose, knocked me down fracturing my wrist, and constantly called me names.
I work in a retail store and it really irks me when people bring their kids in there who are crying, screaming, whinning, running around destroying things and spreading their germs. I feel it's really rude. If I wanted to be subjected to all that I would have children of my own!
WOW! Thanks for letting me vent!
That all just unexpectedly popped out!

Ricë said...

Venting is good. We all need somewhere to vent.

Anhelo said...

Yes, Kathy. You're right. Mothering and nurturing are different. Still struggling with English.

Louisa said...

Guess I'm the odd one out here! I'm a mom and a grandmother and happy to be so. Hand me your drooling babies - I adore them. However, just substitute dogs for your anti-child rant and I'm all over it! There are more dogs where I live than children and they are even more spoiled and catered to everywhere. Doggie daycares, pooper-scooper businesses, dog strollers and backpacks, clothing/toys, even a special bakery. Blech. I choose not to have anything to do with anyone's dogs and I'm sure the children will not suffer from the lack of your attention either! Nobody says we have to like everything and everyone. Enjoyable post, as always, Ricë. Always food for thought.

mo said...

here's a little clip from an email that was forwarded to me, from Unitarian Universalist Service Committee:
"Mother’s Day is an opportunity to honor the women in our lives who have nurtured and inspired us. For Unitarian Universalists and others concerned about human rights, this day may have an added significance. Julia Ward Howe, a Unitarian, is recognized as the founder of Mother’s Day. The holiday can be traced back to Howe’s 1870 “Mother’s Day Proclamation,” in which she declared that women worldwide should “solemnly take counsel with each other as to the means whereby the great human family can live in peace."

looks like Mother's Day has evolved into something else entirely, huh? like maybe a day to promote Hallmark cards ;)

geri said...

i'm So with you on this rice!
i grew up with 7 siblings and as the 2nd oldest, ended up as babysitter (FREE service when it's your family) enough to know i never wanted kids. or a husband (but that's a rant for another day - some people think there's something wrong with you if you CHOOSE to remain single too...imagine that).
the whole term 'mothering'annoys me. just because you show compassion or care for someone (or thing), it shouldn't be labeled 'mothering'. and it IS only used for females! guys would never stand for such crap!
these women who think being a mother is the best invention ever need help. all species breed. humans spend more time, effort and thought when choosing a mate for their dog, cat or horse to be bred to! if only they took a little closer look into their own breeding process...
not all babies are beautiful.personally, i think they all look like yoda :)
not all kids are genius material - or even close. and manners!!!
but i do blame the parents in most cases for creating these little monsters we see in public. they do not even know simple things like 'please' and 'thank you'. each one thinks itself to be the center of the universe, because mommy says it's so. reality check please!
i didn't realize it was popular today to bash motherhood. maybe it's just that people today are more outspoken than ever before? god forbid you speak your mind as a woman, way back in the 'dark ages'of the 50's! we've come a long way baby (for better and/or worse).
not choosing to have, or even like kids is not what the anger is about - it's the people who FORCE all this mothering crap on you, that instills anger. they have no right.freedom of choice should apply to ALL things...imho
right on rice!

Anonymous said...

I grew up conflicted about other children. I wanted to be just like the rest of them but my parents were deaf and that always set me apart from others. This also put cross-hairs on me for bullies. I did learn to listen to adults (we had to translate for Mom & Dad)and we had responsibilies more than other children. As a result, adults always liked us as mature kids.

I had a child when I was 15 years old and gave him up for adoption, and that experience made me stand-offish with kids. It took me 14 years to have another child and even then it was only when my husband & I decided to. I taught my kids manners and good behavior and we could take them in public because they knew how to behave.

I work in an insurance office now with 2 other women both of whom are not mothers. When babies come in they both go bonkers, I have been there and done that. I have noticed how the older kids behave and I can see that their parents do not have control and can't keep them in line. Maybe what you really don't like is bad parents.

KimG said...

Great post Rice. I am a mother and although I love my children, I'm not enamored with other peoples children. I've always thought this was weird and kept it to myself.
In fact, your post is 100% on the money, especially how other parents expect us to overlook bad behavior because it is supposedly "cute". My children were NEVER allowed to impose themselves on others. In fact, we didn't patronize restaurants during their formative years. (Nothing worse than listening to screaming kids while you're eating.)
Thanks for letting me vent!

Kitty Kilian said...

Ha ha! love my kids, but the world is overcrowded anyway.. Most people only like their own kids, but keep that secret! I dislike a lot of grownups too btw!

alison cook said...

thanks! I agree whole heartedly with you and Sue. I get that sad pitying look when I say, nope, no kids because everyone immediately assumes my love for animals is misdirected only because I don't have kids. No - I have animals because I love animals and don't have kids because I don't love kids! Simple! and yet so confusing to others!

Sally G. Knight said...

I wrote a long response yesterday that, fortunately, didn't "go through." I say fortunately, because I really let it all hang out and, probably, would have been hung as a result. Basically, Rice, you said exactly what I, too, think and feel. Parenthood is promoted as it is in this culture because there are a lot of people making a lot of money off the results of reproduction. I didn't like kids when I was one and I don't particularly like them now because most of them aren't trained to be civilized, intelligent human beings. Happy UNmothers' Day to all you child-free women out there!

The Journey said...

I am a mom and love my children dearly but I wouldn't push that on someone else- Many women don't "feel" motherly- then you have those who reproduced and shouldn't have as they have no parenting skills, treat their kids horrid. I hate Walmart there is always a screaming child in there - I am one who loves kids but not brats. I expected obedience when we were out usually got it or we left the store, I didn't expose others to my screaming children.

mimi t boothby watercolors said...

heh, you're not alone. I have always hated other people's kids.
Then i got married and pregnant with a guy who LOVED kids and I thought, well, HE likes them, I'll try it. I found out that MY kids weren't like other people's kids. MY kids didn't ask me 200 times in the supermarket for the toy, MY kids didn't scream for 4 hours on an airplane.
And you asked, what is it that we really hate? The fact that people don't take care of their little monsters and teach them some common sense like you don't hit strangers and the most important one of all, you're not the center of the earth.
When i was a kid I was like you. I didn't like kids at all. I'd much rather sit and quietly listen to what the women were telling each other over coffee and cigarettes. That's how old I am. :-)

Gianna said...

I, too, have always known I did NOT want kids. When I raised horses, now years ago, I told people the reason I raised horses and not children is that, if they get out of line, I could beat them with a buggy whip, and if I didn't want them anymore, I could sell them. Try that with a kid. As you might expect, few of the responses were good. But, I was amused. BTW, I did not really beat them with a buggy whip.

Sharon Robb-Chism said...

I was the oldest of five girls that my mom had by the time she was 27. From early on, I knew I never wanted children...and that has never changed. All of my other sisters have kids, some good, some monsters, so my parents don't lack for grandkids.

The majority of children these says are rude, obnoxious little hooligans, who are let loose in restaurants, grocery stores, or wherever. When I was working at an upscale department store, I saw a lady come in, leave her kid in the toy section, and walk off. The kid pooped on the floor. When she came back, she saw the poop, picked up the kid, and left. Gross! The poor maintenance man had to clean it up.

I'm with you...I*don't*like*kids! Or parents who think everyone should love their little darlings as much as they do. Think again...we don't.

Zom said...

LOL How did I miss this post? I love listening to you rant!
I too am not maternal and have not had children. I do, however have four grandchildren (from my DH's family). I love them, and yet am still not maternal. So I relate to them as little people and that works for me. They don't seem to mind that I don't coo and don't cook. Though they are great for a cuddle.
And I don't babysit. I am rather a disappointment as a grandmother in many traditional ways, but I reckon children need all kinds as we grow up.

Susan said...

Amen.

There is something about the commercial build up to mother's day that brings a similar rant up in me. ("Happy Mother's Day, if it applies!" chirped a clerk to me. Oh, so you wish me to have a crappy day if I don't have kids?).

I, too, was an only child until I was ten. Never felt particularly maternal, and my husband and I have chosen not to have children. And don't get me started on overpopulation and its attendant issues. Holy Moses, people, the planet's population is going to hit 7 billion by next October. Seven. Billion.

Anonymous, you chose to view this as a post bashing motherhood and children, and revelatory of scarring from unresolved issues. But in this day and age when over 45% of women of child bearing age do NOT have children, why must we continue this elevation of people who have given birth to that of sainthood? I mean, good for you...but there are a whole bunch of women who are leading good lives and making a difference in the world, who don't have to give birth to prove their worth. And they haven't skipped motherhood out of greed or in favor of careers, and to suggest that is equally insulting on your part.

Okay, I feel better now.

Michele said...

Interesting that you say your mother didn't enjoy mothering AFTER four - for me, that was the tipping point for MORE enjoyment of my children, not less. I don't like them all of the time - much as I don't like other children all of the time - but the day-to-day drudgery falls off sharply after four. And I would totally back you up if you corrected my kid in public, and think it's really sad that other people just don't get what appropriate public behavior requires, not just for their children, but for them as well.

Karen Witte-Elkins said...

Love, Love, Love being a Mom, but you made me laugh out loud. If all women who didn't want to have kids would have enough respect for and awareness of themselves to refrain, there would be happier Moms AND kids aplenty! Funny stuff-thanks!!

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