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My name rhymes with "Lisa," I live in Midland, Texas, because it's warm and the mortgage is cheap, and of course this is my natural hair color. Of course! The EGE--The Ever-Gorgeous Earl--is my husband of 35 years. I have the best job in the world because I get to call up artists and ask them nosy questions and then write about them. I also stitch, podcast, blog, and then, in my spare time, do it all some more.

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Friday, December 02, 2011

Why I Don't Sell What I Make

In the past I have--I have sold many things. Jewelry, hand bound books, art dolls, assemblage, collage, stamped cards, clothes, art quilts. As I've mentioned before, one year I made $10,000 selling the stuff I made. That seems amazing to me today--it's been a lot of years.

But I don't even try any more. My Etsy shop has been empty (if it still even exists) for years now. People are always--always--telling me I should sell the clothes I alter. "People would pay for that!" they tell me, and I just smile.

Yes, indeed. People would pay for it. Just recently, when I posted this jacket,
someone contacted me and said they'd like to buy it. I pretty much knew where this would go, having been there before, but I asked them, just out of curiosity, to make an offer. They suggested $25. I said no, I wouldn't sell it for that amount, but if they'd send a SASE, I'd put it in the mail to them as a gift. They did. I did. I hope they received it--I haven't heard, and it's been a couple weeks, so it may have gone astray, which would be sad.

[The good news is that just the other day--Monday--I boxed up a carton of things I'd altered and was hanging onto but realized I probably am not going to wear, given the bulging state of all the closets, and sent them to Nan Spring, a fabulous photographer in San Antonio. They've arrived safely, and Nan says she'll have photos to post on Facebook soon. You may remember the last time I did this and Nan shared the photos. This is why I send things to her: they fit her, she wears them, she enjoys them, I get to see how they look on someone else. She came to the book signing we did in San Antonio last month and had on one of the dresses I dyed and stitched, and it was SO much fun to see her in it.
 She looked fabulous (she's wearing a pair of tights that exactly matches the darker fuchsia in this dress), and seeing her + the dress was like seeing two friends I hadn't seen in a while. In fact, it was so cool of her to wear it that I gave her a jacket I bought at Quilt Festival last year and embroidered--I hadn't know I was going to do that, but I was compelled to hand it to her. She's just one of those people who make you feel great about sending something their way, you know? Even if it might not be the coolest thing she's ever seen, she has so much fun with styling it that you have fun, too.]

Anyway: so why would I rather give something away then sell it for $25? Let's look at it.

I bought the jacket for a couple of dollars. Let's say $3. I brought it home and washed it and dyed it. Let's say the dye and salt and soda ash cost $2. I switched out the buttons--that was probably about $4, given the ridiculous cost of even plain plastic buttons. Let's say I spent $1 on the floss. That's $10.

Let's say that all this took me three hours. It probably took longer than that, of course, but let's say it took three. That comes out to $5 an hour for altering the jacket. I don't know about y'all, but I'm not willing to do something--even something I love--for $5 an hour. Oh, sure--if I were starving and had to have the money to buy food, I'd do it. But you know what? I'd rather do something else for $5 an hour, something physical. Shoveling out kennels, for instance. Nasty, dirty, disgusting work, but hard physical work for which you don't expect to make much money. I've done it, and I could do it again (think tall rubber boots, gloves, a mask). What I'm not willing to do is something I've been doing since 1973 and, if I say so myself, do fairly well, for far less than minimum wage.

If I sell something, I have to copy the check and make sure it's included for taxes. I have to pay Etsy fees and shipping. I have to have boxes and tissue on hand, and I have to keep track of stuff. I have to take it to the post office or UPS. By that time, that $5 an hour I made has dwindled down to nothing.

I understand that people aren't willing to pay for the time I--we!--put into things we make by hand. You know that. You've heard people say, over and over, in that dismissive tone, "I could do that." Well, yes. Yes, indeed: they *could* do that. The question is, though: would they? Are they really going to spend hours and hours learning to do what you do? Mastering the techniques and then still loving it enough to sit down and do it?

You know the answer to that one. They're not. They're not willing to do it, but because they can imagine themselves doing it, they don't value it nearly as much as if it were something they couldn't do. Brain surgery. Tax law. Architecture.

Or some art, like gem cutting or glass blowing, that they have no idea how to do and that, therefore, seems mysterious and valuable.

I have sold some artwear for quite a bit of money. A couple hundred dollars, say. Does that sound good? The truth is that didn't even begin to cover the amount of time I spent working on them.

Here's the thing: you have to value the things you do. This is why I'm always harping about work, about buckling down and learning to do things well, about practicing and learning and expanding your skills. You do it, and you do it well, and you value it. If you want to give it away as a gift, that's your business. But if you sell what you do for pennies, what are you saying? Remember how I say, periodically, that people treat you the way you teach them to treat you? Well, people value your work the way you teach them to value your work. If you don't value what you do, they won't, either. If you're willing to sell it for way less than it's worth, then that's what it actually *is* worth. You're the one who put that price on it.

So while I used to think it would be marvelous to make a living selling what I make, I realized that would never happen. I don't make high-end artwear. I don't have A Name that makes people want to spend lots of money on what I make, and the stuff I make is quirky enough that only maybe a handful of people would wear it. And that's OK. I don't make it to sell it; I make it for me, to wear it. And if I don't wear it? I give it away. There are wonderful people out there who give marvelous homes to the things I pass along. They wear them and have fun with them, and that makes me happy.

That's why I don't sell what I make. I make it for me and for the joy of making something. I have way, way too much. But I'd rather give it away than undervalue what I do by selling it for less than what my time is worth. Packing up a box of stuff I've altered and sending it to a friend and then waiting to see photos? Now that's fun~~almost as much fun as wearing it myself, which, as you know, I love to do.

Thanks, Nan! XO

36 comments:

An Artaholic @ Swallowcliffs.blogspot.com/ said...

This is great! As artists, we all struggle with the pricing thing, I think. I love that artists are talking about this on the net now!

Jude Ongley-Mowris said...

This came on the prefect day, as I am struggling with how to price a new body of work, stitched paintings. I now know the answer! Thank you Rice!
(hey)Jude

Ken Thomas said...

Well put.

Among a bunch of other hobbies, I'm a beekeeper. People have asked me so often if I sell the honey, that I've developed a standard response.

I just tell them that the honey my girls produce is much too valuable to sell, so I give it away instead.

jinxxxygirl said...

I totally 'get it' now Rice. Thanks for that. I needed to hear that. I can see where your coming from now. deb

Carol Leigh said...

First of all, the word verification thingie in your comment section is "bebooked," which I think is delightful, especially given the stack of books you showed us recently. Not only are you bedecked, but you're bebooked. Methinks I shall use that new word often.

Secondly, it was your third paragraph, about the person who offered $25 for the jacket, got it for free, and who has yet to thank you for it, that got to me. As my great aunt would have said, "Some people's children..." My friends and students know I'm weird and they send me weird (but cool) things. I always try to take photos during the unwrapping, photos of the objects themselves, and then, when possible, photos of the objects in use. Their gift to me becomes my gift back to them. And that's where the fun is. As you know.

Sorry I can't write more, but I'm totally bebooked and have a lot of reading to do... --Carol Leigh

Dawn said...

Wow...a powerful and truthful post...I am one of the givers, I have sold a few things but you know I love to give my stuff away if someone has expressed an interest in it as I know it will be loved...I would not know where to begin to price things so gifting is easier for me x

Ricë said...

Ken, I love that--what a great response. And I love that you call the bees your Girls. It makes it seem like they're working with you on a project.

Bebooked--I love that! Wish I could claim it as my own invention, in fact.

Marya said...

Hear, Hear! It's frustrating when people undervalue the time and effort that goes into something, just because they think they can make it (and often can but probably won't). We're so used to living in a culture that undervalues goods because we buy them from other countries who underpay their employees, creating a false sense of market value. Next time I struggle with this conversation I will pull this post out from my bookmarks and share it!

Jeanne said...

I am always inspired by your craft and your attitude. I hope I meet you one day. I have friends in Harper. tx. they are at the armadildo (oops) for the hell-a-ssh trials of that show. And if you get there. Look up Ann Curtis... http://www.lifecasting.net/
She is one of my dearest friends.
thanks again girl. you rock.

jenclair said...

I love this post. It summarizes many of my feelings about making and selling. Selling does give some validation, but is rarely truly compensating.

Another issue I've debated is the one about "I could do that" -- I feel that if I can do it, anybody can, so why would they want to buy it. Also, when I see something I like, I want to make it. Don't necessarily want the item, but I want to learn how to make it.

Process is the goal...more than product.

I've considered opening an Etsy shop, but know I don't want the effort and obligation involved.

Thanks again for this post!

geri said...

and then there are the people who you give a handmade gift to and they consider it 'crap' because it didn't come from a store...like walmart?
i love giving things away to people but i've learned now to only do this where items will be appreciated.
the whole 'thank you' issue is a pet peeve of mine. has this become extinct? people rarely say it and to receive an actual hand-written note is like finding a unicorn in the mailbox.

Marylinn Kelly said...

That's the spirit, there is power of all descriptions in giving our work away. When I started a blog more than 3 years ago, I had some vague dream that it would lead to something, i.e. a source of income. What it led to was an extraordinary community, riches I could never have imagined. I love writing for free. And every time my mind floats over the word 'etsy' I slip into a fugue state, to awake much later, back in my right mind.

Natalya Aikens said...

thank you! well said...

Ricë said...

Thank you notes--ahhhh. And does anyone else still do bread-and-butter notes? And hostess gifts (always a bottle of wine, but still)?

Edwina Sutherland said...

Never a truer word said, Rice! I have explained to so may people how long it takes to create, not even counting my thinking and dreaming time!
I conclude that those who get it will buy my stuff and appreciate the time involved. I also only give my work to those hwo acknowledge the effort and will truly appreciate that it's not made in China!;)

Bloody Frida said...

Terrific post - the REAL cost of what we do would be in the 100s and no one pays that for art, in general. There's a blog post going around Facebook talking about the real cost of doing art - I wish i could find it but I cannot get into FB at work :(

Joann Loftus said...

Your writing skills are as wonderful and valuable as your art and crafting skills, Rice! This post was spot-on as to how I feel as an artist. It's like the general public just doesn't "get it" when it comes to fine art and handcrafted items. I would never in a million years offer to pay my accountant $25 for a $250 job, yet people do it all the time when it comes to art. They somehow think it should be "cheap or free" just because it's a luxury rather than a necessity. Yet, they'll spend oodles of money on food, drinks, movies, purses, shoes, boating, golf, travel, Vegas... the list goes on and on. Oh well, I'm not saying anything you didn't already very eloquently state in your post. Thanks for reminding us, though, for valuing our work. I am bookmarking this for when sales are down and I need an emotional boost. Oh wait. Maybe I should re-read it right now.

Ellen said...

What a perfect post!! I have been struggling over the past year about whether to set-up an etsy shop and your description of packing, shipping, etc for no real income is what always comes to my mind. You posted showed me my thoughts in writing. I love the creating and sharing and that is where I should stay! Thank you!

sukey said...

I recently participated in a holiday craft event that was also a fund raiser for a local women's shelter. I asked if I could have a free table and tip jar for donations to the shelter. We got $450 and had a great time. The children that came were my best "customers" for the free table. They loved being able to afford the art and chose very carefully. The adults were a tad more timid but with a little coaxing they too were able to get a free item or two. Not paying a dime seem weird. The kids got it!

a mess of things said...

Love this...thank you for posting...

Wendy said...

In one of my past lives I was a dressmaker but I don't sew for payment now. If someone wants something they can come and sit with me, chat, laugh, make cups for a few and keep me company for a few hours while I do it for free.

Love bebooked! Bedazzled by it in fact. Must go down to the library and bebook myself right now!

Wendy said...

My editing skills are not good! I meant they can make me cups of tea!

By the way - it's surprising how few people take me up on the offer - they seem to have something else to do with their time...funny that.

Zom said...

I find this a painful subject. I respect the way you have decided to deal with the situation.

My belief is that creative work is work of the Soul and our society doesn't value that work hence...

Perhaps bartering would be another way of exchange.

Magaly Guerrero said...

I understand exactly what you mean. I got an email from someone who wanted to buy a cleansing for her house. She offered what she thought was a reasonable amount; it takes me a long, long, long time to prepare a cleansing, and a lot of energy, too. The woman really needed the cleansing, so I brew it, charged it and sent it to her for no charge.

One of my good friends said she doesn't get me. I just forwarded her you post, for it explains my reasons perfectly.

Bonita Rose said...

Here Here.. I love this.. I"m sharing your post on fb... so true and so real.. I hv an etsy shop and well.. I rarely get the sales I dream of.. am I pricing things too low? Are they too high? It's such a game and oh so competitive.. and u are right.. I make what I make for me... always for me first... loved reading this today xo hugs to you

Lynne Brazzel said...

What a great Blog ! I know what Wendy means..........I use to have a pool full of kids.When I set a day for them to come WITH their Mothers to watch them OH MY no children in the pool...........I Love altered clothing but alas I am way,way fatter than you Nan, so I am tuff out of luck on your list. Have a great day creating guys , you certainly made mine ....Lynne

Anne Ross Oliva said...

Well said!!

Jane Davenport | Artomologist said...

Pricing handmade is such a 'thing'... especially when you love what you do so much, you would do it for smiles.

I think you may be one of the coolest peeps on the planet Ricë...

Linda Castillo said...

Very well put. I have struggled with all the things you mentioned. I have de-valued my work by selling it for less in the past, thinking it would put my name out there....not a good feeling and not anymore. Thank you notes? Hostess gifts? Yes! A huge "Yes!" my mother always taught me....Never go empty handed. Not familiar with bread-and-butter notes. Thank you for this post.

Anonymous said...

I thought this was a wonderful post. My husband is a remodeler and he says when people say "just" and "only" he has to smile. If you don't know how to really do something then the task is just a little one, and why do you want to charge me for that since you are here anyway! I can do the technical aspect of many arts that I see at shows, what I can't do is have the vision that created the art so mine would only be a pale copy. I do buy art and wish I had money to buy more. Thank goodness for all the creators who continue because they love it.
PS I love thank you notes and will always remember the line "unicorns in my mailbox" how wonderful!!!!
Love your blog, I look at it everyday without fail.
Nancy in Dallas

Jenny said...

Great post! I know exactly what you're saying.

Maggie said...

We're all used to commodity pricing now--however, I can't believe you were offered $25 for a handcrafted piece of clothing! That's ridiculous. Unless you shop at the dreaded Walmart, even a cheap jacket will set you back a Ben Franklin or two.

And I was taught to bring bread-and-butter gifts (I guess that means hostess gift?), which these days mean a jar of honey from my girls.

Ricë said...

The hostess gift is what you bring with you when you arrive; the bread-and-butter note is the one you send the day after thanking your hosts for having you and telling them what a delightful time you had. I know this because I always received, among the stash of gifts on Christmas morning, a box of thank-you notes, and in the afternoon I had to sit down and write the notes before I could continue playing with any of the toys. Except those brought by Santa--he was the exception.

Paula Scott said...

I totally agree with you!

Chris F said...

years ago I made a very nice applique vest in a quilting class. did all the applique by hand needle turned, quilted it, put the whole thing together. at the quilt show a woman who owned a very swanky clothing store in the hill country approached me about making more for her shop. my answer was very similar to yours. there was no way she could charge enough and still pay me for my time and trouble. plus it sucks all the joy out of it....

Nina Fenner said...

I've recently decided not to sell my handmade books anymore, for all the reasons you say in this article. And furthur more you've inspired me to give as many away to friends for Christmas as possible. Would you like one? www.ninafenner.co.uk (also telling friends about it on facebook)

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